Fonte Horizons Unlimited che riprende il forum tedesco Buschtaxi:


http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/sahara-travel-forum/egypt-gilf-kebir-warning-32826

La pubblico così come mi è arrivata

We would like to clarify the truth concerning the robberies took place in the 8 bells , let us advice you the real fact as following :

Two German people lost their deal with their arranging desert safari company, they refused their conditions & prices, that was after the travel agent issued the permits of their trip so they return back the original permits but they kept the copies with them.

They made another deal with an Egyptian driver ( Hamada Hemdan ) , this deal to help them to enter the desert with their own 2 cars & the driver car without any permits - Guide as well as the policeman ( officer ) without passing any military check points.

Their trip was to the Gilf EL Kabir , while they were on their direction to the 8 Bills , they sat up their camp in the middle of open desert ( Salama Sand Sheet ) in the Egypt -Sudan Boarders.

It was very very early morning on 26/01/2008 - 15 Sudanese armed men wear deep black cloths covered to the head ( camouflage clothes ) ridding 02 Toyota pick up cars - crossing this area of the desert , they saw their un hidden camp which was with just 03 normal peoples , they took the two Germans' cars & leave for the Egyptian car as it was in a bad condition ( as they informed ) & left them after they took all their equipment's - money , then they returned back to their direction to Sudan with an easy way.


Our points of view regarding this strange robbery as following :
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- Great gaps of this strange story is missed , but if we agree with the German people in what they said please note the following :-

- they entered the deep desert ( un legal boards ) without any permits as well as security ( policeman) or at least the guide to show them the safety ways in the desert.

- they sat up their camp on an open area , although we know very well that we should camp beside any mountain or shelter . But because they want to disappear from the military check points & the driver doesn't the professional person, they didn't find any places except this place.

- we really surprised that the German people made their tourism police report in Cairo although that any one in their situation will go fast to any police point to help them , that means that they didn't care about any thing except the insurance of the cars ?????

- Also we wonder why the robbers take the German cars & leave the Egyptian car & why the driver is disappeared after this incident

- In all cases , if the German cars were seen some where in the desert without permits , it would be impounded by the boarders police ( legal authorities of Egypt - Libya - Sudan ) .
So all of us thinking if the cars really taken,sure its were impounded by the Sudanese boards police & they made up this story to get the insurance of the cars.

is the insurance not much less than the money they deposited for the carnet?
Ursula

Good question but we could do a lot of more questions...
At the moment this is the situation...

the holdup was on N 22 46,872 E 026 16,193
pics coming showing the robbers fleeing and some of the 8bells in background

his tel nr to ask him personally
egypt Mobilnummer +20168557627

Ursula
his reports on http://forum.buschtaxi.org/neues-aus-aegypten-t18234.html

concordo decisamente evento molto strano.

E seguendo i vari Link ho letto le repliche dei diretti interessati,ma quello che ho potuto capire le cose ancora non sono comunque chiare .

Strano che 2 4x4 verosimilmente sudanesi con 15 persone armate si sono spinti così a nord.

Ok una cinquantina di km più ad ovest dell'agguato transitano i contrabbandieri diretti in Sudan....

Ma nonostante i grandi spazi sahariani qui la zona di transito utile è piuttosto delimitata e non credo che gli utenti di quella pista saranno interessati ad un aumento di sorveglianza da parte degli egiziani

mah

#82284 - 05/02/08 08:49 AM Re: INFO SU PASSAGGIO LIBIA/CHAD VIA KUFRA [Re: uberta]
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Modificato da adolfo ( 3 secondi)

sarebbe interessante la fonte.



truppe "irregolari"....

queste?:

JEM Presidential Decrees
Decree No. 1
Title of Decree and Date of Commencement:
Establishment of States in Darfur Region, January 12th 008

(....) I issue the following Decree for the immediate establishment of the following States:

1. The State of Al Wahat (Oases State) with Al Atrun as its capital. Al Wahat State includes:

i) Area covering all the territory at the Egypt-Sudan border west of the River Nile.
ii) Territory at Sudan's side of all Libyan-Sudan border
iii) Northern Zone of Sudan-Chad Border
iv) Oases of Wahat Al Rahib, Wahat Jabarona, Wahat Ghibaish, Wahat An Nukhila, Wahat Al Mutaz, Aahat Al Fagi and Wadi Hawar.

fonte

Come ho scritto ho ” semplicemente “ letto quotidianamente la stampa locale durante il mio soggiorno, per loro sono notizie di poco e non il caso di citare la fonte , Adolfo cosa vuoi che importi . Quando ti fermano via a chiedergli se sono regolari o meno. ? Più interessanti erao in prima pagina notizie sui capricci di Britney Spears e le allora imininenti nozze di Carla Bruni .( tutto il mondo è paese) .
Per i motociclisti piuttosto incasinati perché senza visto di rientro per l’Egitto e alle prese con altri problemi di organizzazione alla mia partenza bivaccavano in attesa di notizie dalle rispettive ambasciate. Non avevano cmq problemi di denaro e tempo.

Caro GFCLY, se si da una notizia bisognerebbe conoscere i fatti e non cercare solo di suscitare allarme per apparire protagonisti con tanti BLA BLA BLA.